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		<title>By: Cunha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cunha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For ASTM A193 B7 bolts we used to bake after galvanising, according to ASTM B633, that sends to  B850

Follow link below...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nhml.com/newsletters/HydrogenEmbrittlement&amp;ASTMB633.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.nhml.com/newsletters/HydrogenEmbrittlement&amp;ASTMB633.pdf&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For ASTM A193 B7 bolts we used to bake after galvanising, according to ASTM B633, that sends to  B850</p>
<p>Follow link below&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nhml.com/newsletters/HydrogenEmbrittlement&#038;ASTMB633.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.nhml.com/newsletters/HydrogenEmbrittlement&#038;ASTMB633.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: PIO RILLER</title>
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		<dc:creator>PIO RILLER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION, I WILL PASS IT ON TO MY BOSES, IT WILL HELP US IN DECIDING IF
THEY WILL GO THROUGH USING B7 HOT DIP GALV. OR TO USE ANOTHER TYPE OF BOLT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION, I WILL PASS IT ON TO MY BOSES, IT WILL HELP US IN DECIDING IF<br />
THEY WILL GO THROUGH USING B7 HOT DIP GALV. OR TO USE ANOTHER TYPE OF BOLT.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Waltner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Waltner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 17:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@LZ - Thank you for your concern with regard to the accuracy of information on the topic of hydrogen embrittlement provided on our website.  The information Adam provided previously is accurate, however his interpretation of the data may be a bit misleading.  The fact that A193 grade B7 has no maximum tensile strength requirement provides no insurance that the actual strength of a given bolt (or lot of bolts) could exceed 150 ksi in ultimate tensile strength.  However, the fact that the specification carries a maximum Rockwell C35 value in theory will limit the tensile strength to somewhere in the mid 150 ksi range.  There is no magical line at 150 ksi tensile strength where if a bolt exceeds that value, it is automatically going to be susceptible to hydrogen embrittlement.  On the contrary, you will see that based on a couple references I will present, the point at which hydrogen embrittlement may occur when a quenched and tempered medium carbon alloy fastener is galvanized appears to be at a much higher tensile strength than 150 ksi. 

According to the National Physical Laboratory, in their Guide to Good Practice in Corrosion Control, they state the following:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;There is no hard-and-fast limit for the strength level above which problems will be experienced, as this will be a function of the amount of hydrogen in the steel, the applied stress, the severity of the stress concentration and the composition and microstructure of the steel. As a rough guide hydrogen embrittlement is unlikely for modern steels with yield strengths below 600 MPa (87ksi), and is likely to become a major problem above 1000 MPa (145ksi).&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have converted the MPa values to relative ksi and added them above.  

High strength alloy steels with a 1000 MPa yield strength would likely correlate to a tensile strength in the range of 165 ksi to 170 ksi.  Therefore, it is the opinion of the National Physical Laboratory that hydrogen embrittlement may begin to occur at tensile strengths significantly higher than 150 ksi. 

Another reference on this subject can be found in the Research Council on Structural Connections&#039; Specification for Structural Joints Using ASTM A325 or A490 Bolts (June 30, 2004).  This document states the following:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Steels in the 200 ksi and higher tensile-strength range are subject to embrittlement if hydrogen is permitted to remain in the steel and the steel is subjected to high tensile stress. The minimum tensile strength of ASTM A325 bolts is 105 ksi or 120 ksi, depending upon the diameter, and maximum hardness limits result in production tensile strengths well below the critical range. The maximum tensile strength for ASTM A490 bolts was set at 170 ksi to provide a little more than a ten-percent margin below 200 ksi&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

(Note: since 2004, the maximum tensile strength requirement for A490 bolts has been moved to 173 ksi).

This RCSC and National Physical Laboratory data both imply that embrittlement has the potential to occur at tensile strength levels significantly higher than 150 ksi.

The final argument backing our stance that A193 grade B7 bolts can indeed be galvanized is that ASTM does not restrict this practice within the specification.  ASTM makes it very clear that hot-dip galvanizing should not be performed on A490 bolts and on A354 grade BD bolts, but does not restrict this practice on any other common ASTM fastener specification including A354 grade BC which has an identical minimum tensile strength as A193 grade B7 (125 ksi) but an even higher yield (109 ksi vs. 105 ksi) and a higher maximum Rockwell hardness requirement (C36 vs. C35).

In summary, these supporting documents combined with the fact that ASTM does not restrict the practice of hot-dip galvanizing within the A193 specification leads us to believe that there is no potential for hydrogen embrittlement when galvanizing A193 grade B7 bolts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LZ &#8211; Thank you for your concern with regard to the accuracy of information on the topic of hydrogen embrittlement provided on our website.  The information Adam provided previously is accurate, however his interpretation of the data may be a bit misleading.  The fact that A193 grade B7 has no maximum tensile strength requirement provides no insurance that the actual strength of a given bolt (or lot of bolts) could exceed 150 ksi in ultimate tensile strength.  However, the fact that the specification carries a maximum Rockwell C35 value in theory will limit the tensile strength to somewhere in the mid 150 ksi range.  There is no magical line at 150 ksi tensile strength where if a bolt exceeds that value, it is automatically going to be susceptible to hydrogen embrittlement.  On the contrary, you will see that based on a couple references I will present, the point at which hydrogen embrittlement may occur when a quenched and tempered medium carbon alloy fastener is galvanized appears to be at a much higher tensile strength than 150 ksi. </p>
<p>According to the National Physical Laboratory, in their Guide to Good Practice in Corrosion Control, they state the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;There is no hard-and-fast limit for the strength level above which problems will be experienced, as this will be a function of the amount of hydrogen in the steel, the applied stress, the severity of the stress concentration and the composition and microstructure of the steel. As a rough guide hydrogen embrittlement is unlikely for modern steels with yield strengths below 600 MPa (87ksi), and is likely to become a major problem above 1000 MPa (145ksi).&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I have converted the MPa values to relative ksi and added them above.  </p>
<p>High strength alloy steels with a 1000 MPa yield strength would likely correlate to a tensile strength in the range of 165 ksi to 170 ksi.  Therefore, it is the opinion of the National Physical Laboratory that hydrogen embrittlement may begin to occur at tensile strengths significantly higher than 150 ksi. </p>
<p>Another reference on this subject can be found in the Research Council on Structural Connections&#8217; Specification for Structural Joints Using ASTM A325 or A490 Bolts (June 30, 2004).  This document states the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Steels in the 200 ksi and higher tensile-strength range are subject to embrittlement if hydrogen is permitted to remain in the steel and the steel is subjected to high tensile stress. The minimum tensile strength of ASTM A325 bolts is 105 ksi or 120 ksi, depending upon the diameter, and maximum hardness limits result in production tensile strengths well below the critical range. The maximum tensile strength for ASTM A490 bolts was set at 170 ksi to provide a little more than a ten-percent margin below 200 ksi&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>(Note: since 2004, the maximum tensile strength requirement for A490 bolts has been moved to 173 ksi).</p>
<p>This RCSC and National Physical Laboratory data both imply that embrittlement has the potential to occur at tensile strength levels significantly higher than 150 ksi.</p>
<p>The final argument backing our stance that A193 grade B7 bolts can indeed be galvanized is that ASTM does not restrict this practice within the specification.  ASTM makes it very clear that hot-dip galvanizing should not be performed on A490 bolts and on A354 grade BD bolts, but does not restrict this practice on any other common ASTM fastener specification including A354 grade BC which has an identical minimum tensile strength as A193 grade B7 (125 ksi) but an even higher yield (109 ksi vs. 105 ksi) and a higher maximum Rockwell hardness requirement (C36 vs. C35).</p>
<p>In summary, these supporting documents combined with the fact that ASTM does not restrict the practice of hot-dip galvanizing within the A193 specification leads us to believe that there is no potential for hydrogen embrittlement when galvanizing A193 grade B7 bolts.</p>
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		<title>By: LZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>LZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 17:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your chart is misleading with regard to the A193 B7 bolts in that it implies they can always be galvanized.  As Adam Oakley pointed out, the tensile strength of this material can be well above the 150ksi range since there is no upper tensile limit in the specification.  I am aware of one situation where a refinery galvanized some B7&#039;s for a pipr flange with difficult access, and they ended up on the ground.  The F1554 Grade 105 places an upside limit on the tensile strength just for this reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your chart is misleading with regard to the A193 B7 bolts in that it implies they can always be galvanized.  As Adam Oakley pointed out, the tensile strength of this material can be well above the 150ksi range since there is no upper tensile limit in the specification.  I am aware of one situation where a refinery galvanized some B7&#8242;s for a pipr flange with difficult access, and they ended up on the ground.  The F1554 Grade 105 places an upside limit on the tensile strength just for this reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Oakley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Oakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See this FAQ for details on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.portlandbolt.com/faqs/corrosion-resistant-options-for-high-strength-bolts&quot;&gt;corrosion protection options for high strength bolts&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See this FAQ for details on <a href="http://www.portlandbolt.com/faqs/corrosion-resistant-options-for-high-strength-bolts">corrosion protection options for high strength bolts</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Blouin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Blouin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the safiest alternative (without modifying the strenth) to protect a A490 bolt from corrosion if those treatments (galvanazing and all)is not recommended?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the safiest alternative (without modifying the strenth) to protect a A490 bolt from corrosion if those treatments (galvanazing and all)is not recommended?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Adam on this issue. Grade 8 bolts should not be galvanized. I am not aware of anyone stocking galvanized grade 8 bolts. It may be possible the word &quot;galvanize&quot; used for grade 8 bolts actually refers to the older term &quot;electro-galvanize&quot;, which is actually standard zinc plating, not hot-dip galvanize. Zinc plating is fine for Grade 8 bolts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Adam on this issue. Grade 8 bolts should not be galvanized. I am not aware of anyone stocking galvanized grade 8 bolts. It may be possible the word &#8220;galvanize&#8221; used for grade 8 bolts actually refers to the older term &#8220;electro-galvanize&#8221;, which is actually standard zinc plating, not hot-dip galvanize. Zinc plating is fine for Grade 8 bolts.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Oakley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Oakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael Nietch: Thanks for your input regarding this topic. Galvanizing high strength bolts is a complicated subject and the discussion helps to better clarify the issues.

1. Hardness is a rough estimate of tensile. Generally speaking a 34 Rockwell equals 150 ksi tensile. The chart above doesn’t include A193 B7 hardness, since it has no minimum. There is slight overlap between the minimum Grade 8 hardness and maximum A193 B7 hardness. Technically a B7 bolt could have a tensile in the 155 ksi range. In that case, hot-dip galvanizing would not be recommended. The upper threshold for hot-dip galvanizing is material with 150 ksi tensile.  B7 bolts will occasionally be above 150 ksi, but are typically well below it, whereas Grade 8 bolts have a minimum tensile of 150 ksi so are always above it. I’m not aware of a SAE standard that addresses hot-dip galvanizing, since they are fasteners designed for automotive and OEM applications. Neither ASTM A354 grade BD or A490, which are both 150 ksi minimum tensile bolts and are chemically and mechanically identical to SAE grade 8, allow galvanizing. It is best to analyze this issue based on tensile and tempering temperatures, rather than hardness.

2. I would question anyone supplying galvanized grade 8 bolts. Because of the reasons stated above the mechanical properties of these bolts are greatly compromised through the galvanizing preparation process. The reason galvanized B7 bolts are difficult to find is more application than function. They are typically used for high temperature-high pressure designs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael Nietch: Thanks for your input regarding this topic. Galvanizing high strength bolts is a complicated subject and the discussion helps to better clarify the issues.</p>
<p>1. Hardness is a rough estimate of tensile. Generally speaking a 34 Rockwell equals 150 ksi tensile. The chart above doesn’t include A193 B7 hardness, since it has no minimum. There is slight overlap between the minimum Grade 8 hardness and maximum A193 B7 hardness. Technically a B7 bolt could have a tensile in the 155 ksi range. In that case, hot-dip galvanizing would not be recommended. The upper threshold for hot-dip galvanizing is material with 150 ksi tensile.  B7 bolts will occasionally be above 150 ksi, but are typically well below it, whereas Grade 8 bolts have a minimum tensile of 150 ksi so are always above it. I’m not aware of a SAE standard that addresses hot-dip galvanizing, since they are fasteners designed for automotive and OEM applications. Neither ASTM A354 grade BD or A490, which are both 150 ksi minimum tensile bolts and are chemically and mechanically identical to SAE grade 8, allow galvanizing. It is best to analyze this issue based on tensile and tempering temperatures, rather than hardness.</p>
<p>2. I would question anyone supplying galvanized grade 8 bolts. Because of the reasons stated above the mechanical properties of these bolts are greatly compromised through the galvanizing preparation process. The reason galvanized B7 bolts are difficult to find is more application than function. They are typically used for high temperature-high pressure designs.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Nietch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Nietch</dc:creator>
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		<description>1. Have you excluded SAE J429 Grade 8 from &quot;capable of galvanizing&quot; list specifically because hardness minimum is &gt;= 33 HRC and included A193 B7 because the specification doesn&#039;t have a minimum?  If yes, I question the reasoning since the maximum hardness of A193 B7 is 35 HRC at less than 4&quot; and therefore a A193 B7 and SAE J429 Gr. 8 fastener may have identical hardness.

2. Why is it easy to find stock galvanized SAE J429 Grade 8 bolts (most suppliers) and impossible to find stock galvanized A193 B7 bolts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Have you excluded SAE J429 Grade 8 from &#8220;capable of galvanizing&#8221; list specifically because hardness minimum is &gt;= 33 HRC and included A193 B7 because the specification doesn&#8217;t have a minimum?  If yes, I question the reasoning since the maximum hardness of A193 B7 is 35 HRC at less than 4&#8243; and therefore a A193 B7 and SAE J429 Gr. 8 fastener may have identical hardness.</p>
<p>2. Why is it easy to find stock galvanized SAE J429 Grade 8 bolts (most suppliers) and impossible to find stock galvanized A193 B7 bolts?</p>
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